A SOLDIER'S PERSPECTIVE
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I”ve noticed a few seemingly random comments which I”ve posted pretty snarky replies to over the last couple of days. They all appeared on a post CJ wrote almost a year ago entitled Brandon Neely Is A Moron. We’ll take a closer look at the comments, the authors, and the replies for CJ and me where applicable a little bit later. First, I’ll catch up if you haven’t been paying attention to the recent comments section in the sidebar.
A few idiots, mostly from the UK, were popping up singing his praise and it really dumbfounded CJ and me. Why now, a year latter? ASP does hold the number two Google link when you search for Brandon Neely, but we last heard from the slob nearly a year ago. That doesn”t explain his sudden fame, especially coming from the UK. Have we missed something? Boy, have we!
It turns out the ex-Soldier (Neely is undeserving of the title of former Soldier nor is he worthy of being called by his former rank) was flown overseas by the BBC to meet two of the guys he was guarding down in Cuba all those years ago. I”ll spare you the NY Slimes’ gushing article and picture. The picture is probably the worst part. The two former detainees and Neely look like long lost BFFs. Figures. Go read it if you think your sanity and blood pressure can handle it.
So that explains why all the Queen’s Subjects have been drawn to ASP like moths to light. It’s just a shame they can’t see a bit of the light and realize that Neely is STILL a moron. Nothing has changed from a year ago when CJ nailed it.
Again, instead of turning himself in to the military, he waits until six years after the fact, three years after leaving active duty service, and after he’s been released from IRR status to come forward. Brandon Neely is a complete coward! He waited until he thought it was safe to speak up and couldn’t be sucked back into the Army system to answer for his war crimes.
He can’t speak in complete sentences and looks like he’s about to have a heart attack because that evil corporation, McDonald’s, stuffed too many Big Macs down his 30 inch, Samoan wanna-be neck! He apparently didn’t take any of the military focus on proper diet and exercise with him into the real world.
Here’s the point of my disrespectful attitude towards Neely: He got good men killed, period! The actions at Gitmo directly contributed to an insurgency with a new purpose to avenge those detainees who were abused at the camp. Just like Abu Ghraib, these Soldiers should have been charged with 2nd degree murder and hung publicly. At the very least, they should be imprisoned with a burly redneck named Bubba whose best friend was a goat on the outside. They got my friends killed because they weren’t men enough to stand up for what’s right when faced with a moral dilemma.
The middle paragraph is probably my favorite probably because I just about died laughing. Go back to CJ’s post and the watch the video to understand what he is joking about.
All joking aside, the last paragraph is what this is truly about. Neely’s actions, or more accurately lack there of, is why I cut him absolutely no slack. He waited YEARS to report what happened. He took part in what he is now reporting. He is making a big deal about going to the UK to kiss the asses of the guys he supposedly slapped around and embarrassed. I smell a book deal, a publicity hound, a made-for-TV movie, or a guy desperate to validate his own inadequacies. Or that could be his McDonald’s farts. Either way, I really don’t like what I smell.
I’m not sure how else I can really explain it to our cousins from across the great pond, but come on guys. How about I try this example? A prison guard abuses prisoners in his charge and sees others doing the same. He decides to quit his job and years later decide he wants his 15 minutes of fame and jumps in front of any camera that will have him (and fit him in the frame). He tells all these stories of how horrible it was and how bad he feels. This guy is a hero? HELL no! He is a criminal just like all the other idiots who decided they wanted to get their jollies by roughing up the prisoners.
Now how about the part of the post I know you’re all dying to read. We’re going to dive into the comments from CJ’s previous post and make some villages (un)happy by returning their idiots. We’re only going to cover comments from this week. I will also spare them the humiliation of not posting the email address they provided when they posted their idiotic comments. See, a part of my heart is still there.
I will note that among the complete idiots, I can see some almost good points. There aren’t many and I have to finish filling in a few gaps, but there are one or two that are almost on to something.
First we have Charles from London.
Remarkable how a simple act of conscience and compassion can become so vilified.
Dignity?
Honour?
Courage?
Where are these without conscience and compassion?
Brandon Neely is a brave man. His courage reaches even beyond the bravery of the soldier. His is the bravery of the righteous and caring man; indeed a lonely, lonely road. Even brave brothers at arms turn their back; they cannot go there. It is too far.
CJ responded.
Wow, the UK is representing now! Neely is a “brave man” for waiting until he got out of uniform to report supposed abuses? What’s brave about that? Where was he when this was going on (if it was going on)? Real bravery is standing up when the odds are against you, not this drivel. Neely is a moron.
Our second contestant is Michael North also from London.
Brandon has done a lot more for the long-term good of humanity than the immature, binary debate on here.
Humanity, true humanity, transcends politics and religion. Brandon you’re courageous and it doesn’t matter that it’s long after the event. Plenty of your peers will never even dare face up to the wretched position you were put in by the Bush administration.
CJ responded once again.
Okay, Michael, please explain what “good of humanity” Brandon has done. This I have to hear.
For everyone else, Michael is from the UK, so I expect this sort of thought process.
Michael actually replied back, which I was shocked to see.
Hey CJ,
Thanks for letting me reply to this.
It’s progressive, isn’t it?
In World War II, there were plenty of German SS exterminating Jews and probably felt what they were doing (by way of an executive order) was probably wrong.
But it’s only through reflecting over time that your conscience either detects that or it doesn’t. When it does, you can either stay silent and live with it, or have the courage to speak out. Speaking out goes some way to ensuring that history doesn’t make the same mistakes again.
Brandon is garnering attention in the UK right now because he came here to speak to two former prisoners about his actions in Gitmo. (Have a look at Newsnight). What was more interesting than his apology, was seeing how it was accepted by the two former prisoners.
Most radical Muslims in the UK at the moment are angry and still misdirecting their anger at the West. The discourse between Brandon and these prisoners was the first time I’ve ever seen genuine dialogue and mutual respect between two faiths.
I can assure you that it discourses like this probably bring us closer towards peace, than waging anymore wars will.
Cheers, Mike
PS – Respect your right to disagree. It’s your blog after all!
Next is Idea, who clearly did not have one when writing, from Manchester, UK.
You are insane !!! That man is a hero – do you know anything about torturing?
Come on man – think once again and rewrite!
CJ beat me to the punch. Again. Don’t worry. I get mine later on.
Do you?
I know. Weak sauce, CJ. He could have done SO much more with that. I’ll smoke him later for lack of effort.
Next we have someone to describes themselves as the Brandon Fan Club from the University of Houston (try not to use your .edu email next time, dumbass). Oh joy! Someone who drank (or got drunk on) the kool aid, put on a big red jug suit, and jumped through a brick wall yelling, “Oh yeah!â€
Brandon Neely is a hero! A man taking responsability for his actions, while our elected officials will not.
Guantanamo Bay: Jailer and jailed remember camp opening
Ah, now I get to throw some punches.
Brandon Neely is not a hero. A hero would have come forward immediately when the crimes took place. He would have taken punishment from the Army for his crimes instead of hiding until the Army couldn’t touch him. He is a coward, a criminal, and quite frankly, a little bitch. We havea term for guys like him in the military. Blue Falcons. Not to be trusted under any circumstance.
Michael North came with more to say.
Marcus. I can guarantee that even if Brandon had spoken out at the height of Gitmo in 03-05, your opinion of him would be exactly the same.
I couldn’t let him get the last word, could I?
The only guarantee you can make is that you have no clue of my opinion of Brandon Neely.
The facts are that he didn’t. Your little what if game is really of no use, but I’ll play along and pretend that Brandon Neely came forward with all his information right when it happened. I still don’t believe that Gitmo detainees have been “abused” like Brandon Neely claims. But that isn’t the debate so let’s continue your little what if game.
Coming forward after the “crimes” wouldn’t make him a coward, he would have been brave to stand up for those that he himself had done wrong against and those around him as well. He wouldn’t be a little bitch for hiding from the Army until they can’t punish him. He’d still be a criminal, though, and he could hold his head high in the brig knowing he did the right thing instead of what he really did. The complete wrong thing.
But, CJ took my last word.
Michael, I can tell you that my opinion would have been vastly different! Why? Because when I saw abuses of detainees in Fallujah, I didn’t sit on my ass and take part in it. I reported the Soldiers involved. It took guts being in a combat zone where the people you’re reporting are armed, but that’s what Personal Courage is. Brandon doesn’t understand that and neither do the people that support his cowardly stance.
Our last brainchild is named Stephanie from Richardson, Texas.
I think your a moron. I think Brandon had a lot of courage to admit what he did and witnessed was wrong.
By this time I’m growing tired of the same thing over and over. I can just copy and paste my previous comments.
Courge would have been to report it when witnessed and not take part. Cowards wait years and participate.
CJ had more to add.
Where was that courage when it was happening? Brandon had the power to STOP the abuse from happening, but said nothing! Heroism is defined as a “courageous action.” Please tell me what is courageous about keeping your lips shut WHEN the abuse is taking place and waiting until he gets out of the Army to suddenly feel okay to bring it up. Stephanie, if Brandon is a person you look to for an example of courage, you’ll never see true courage!
Folks, I still do not understand how anyone can consider Brandon Neely a hero, courageous, brave, righteous, or caring. Let’s call a spade a spade and a coward a coward, okay?



Michael North
I’ll tell you one thing. I don’t share your politics. I don’t share your world view. And I definitely don’t share your opinions of Brandon
But if you ever make it over to London, I’ll definitely share a beer with you. This post was bloody hilarious!
Marcus
I’m honestly pleased you were able to see the humor intended. I’ll take you up on that beer if I make it to London. As long as we don’t talk politics, world views, or Bradon.
ArmyVet
So if he doesn’t find the courage to speak up when it happens (as many do not- thanks to being attacked by those who would rather pretend the military is always good) he should never speak out?
I am willing to admit some will wait in order to make a profit off the experience, but are you willing to admit that some people take 6 years to find the courage to say something?
CJ
I’m willing to admit some don’t possess the courage to be heroic and wait six years. I’m also willing to admit that the cowardly do. That’s what I’ve been saying all along. If you don’t have the courage to speak up, then you’re a coward. Thanks for making my point.
Backpacker
I listened to this interview and wanted to puke!
“Brandon, how does that make you feel?”
“Brandon, Have you found closure?”
“Brandon, would you like to suck my…”
I was in Spain before and during that 15 minute war.
Everybody knew when it was going to happen.
The bull about them going to a wedding from Pakistan is typical of the contempt Islamists have for American gullibility.
They scored with Neeley.
John Lilley
It’s a bit rich accusing Neeley of war crimes after the US invaded Iraq illegally and then setup the camp in Cuba so that they could torture people. I really don’t think that you realise the strength of anti-Yankie feeling all over the world. I served with the UK Navy in Northern Ireland back in the 80′s, when the US was openly funding the IRA through Ted Kennedy and his Noraid organisation. When are you lot going to stop poking your noses into other countries? It will serve you all right if after your latest critism of China that they pull the plug on your economy.
miriam
“I still don’t believe that Gitmo detainees have been ‘abused’ like Brandon Neely claims.”
…and yet you think he should be tried for war crimes?
Marcus
If what he claims turns out to be true then yes. If not, then no.
Bnejamin
The orders for interrogation came from the top. If anyone is to be tried for war crimes that is where we need to begin; not at the bottom with pawns following orders.
Benjamin
I think it is important to point out that, if we use the Nazi Nuremberg trials as a definition of “War Crimes”, than every president since Teddy Roosevelt is guilty of said crimes…
CJ
Bnejamin, “the top” doesn’t dictate interrogations. As an interrogator, I can tell you that as a fact, not conjecture or assumption. Interrogation plans are generated by the individual interrogator and then approved at higher echelons. All interrogators are trained on proper, legal, and efficient interrogation tactics, so no interrogator can claim ignorance without culpability.
Malcolm Bush
Dear All,
I believe Brandon Neely did his best. We need more honesty regarding this so called war on terror. This site is called A soldier’s Perspective. Soldier’s have no perspective, they are not there to think just believe what they are told and fit in with the rest. It is all just a dream world you live in, shouting, stamping your feet. Sorry but you are just human junk yard dogs. Someone tells you to commit crimes, you do it, just so you fit in with the rest. Sorry I have been so honest.
Marcus
Dear Malcolm Bush,
Neely didn’t do his best. His best would have been to make a report about what was going on.
I do have a perspective, I’m not some robot. I don’t believe everything I’m told nor do I try to fit in the with the rest. You don’t do well in the military just fitting in. Just fitting in doesn’t get you promoted, doesn’t get you awards for your hard work, and doesn’t make for a proud career.
The dream world must be your own. There’s no shouting or stamping (sic) of feet here. I’m just pointing out that Neely is still a complete moron and really has no clue, much like you. The glasses through which you view the world are those of an infant. You really don’t get it.
If someone orders me to commit a crime (which has never happened), I will the thing a man with intestinal fortitude would do; report it. Funny enough, your idol Neely didn’t and is as much of a yellow coward today as he was those years back.
Sorry I’ve been so honest and destroyed your argument.
Bnejamin
First, Semper Fi!
I have to admit that the language and tone of your replies are disturbing; hard to take your points serious when part of your argument appears to take the form of bashing others. Man chooses neither time nor place for conscious awakening; you should appreciate the fact that Neely has come foward. Clearly, by coming foward, he has shed this “coward” label you have so graciously placed on him.
Instead of focusing on the acts of pions and pawns, we should focus on the bigger issue; abuse of prisoners, increased civilian casualties, and a Defense Dept. pushing this country further into debt.
I am not really sure the point you are trying to get across, other than blatant bashing of Neely, those who support him, or those with a different opinion than yours. Don’t worry, I fully appreciate your acts of expression (through this blog), I just wish there was more substance to validate your opinion.
Stuart
Marcus
You’ve got a bee in your bonnet on this one. Blaming Neely for the loss of your comrades? Bush caused the unecessay death of many, including loads of Brits by his ill thought out ‘war on terror’. The false claims of WMD, Guantanamo, the gung-ho US forces shoot then ask questions later approach (thank heavens for Wikileaks revealing what we all suspected anyhow), the 200k deaths of Iraqi civilians. What a disaster (and our British politians aren’t blameless either).
I am pretty sure that even in the US Bush is regarded as an idiot. Am I wrong?
Phuket
‘He got good men killed, period!’ ‘This is not my family and so since I fight with strangers for strangers for this paycheck but still need another reason since I’m risking my life and it doesn’t seem quiet worth it, I’ll go with this, cause even though it’s a little mindless, most people will be too scared or lazy to say anything, and it still sounds strong while creating enough confusion to cover me. GANGSTA!’
fighterpilot
WTF? How is Fatty McNeely not in prison for violating his ND agrrement?